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Actor Paul Walker Converted from Mormonism to Christian Before Death

Actor Paul Walker Converted from Mormonism to Christian Before DeathActor/Philanthropist Paul Walker (Fast & Furious) lost his life in a devastating car crash over the weekend. Millions now mourn the loss of the handsome blonde hair blue eyed actor that captivated audiences on the big screen.

If you were wondering, Walker was saved. In a 2005 USA Today article the California native says he grew up in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, but eventually left the Mormon faith. According to Walker’s biography on IMDb he became a Christian later in life.

“I’m a Christian now. The things that drove me crazy growing up was how everyone works at fault-finding with different religions. The people I don’t understand are atheists. I go surfing and snow boarding and I’m always around nature. I look at everything and think, ‘Who couldn’t believe there’s a God? Is all this a mistake?’ It just blows me away.”

Walker, 40, was attending a charity event for the typhoon victims in the Philippines. His organization Reach Out Worldwide aided in the recovery efforts. His good friend Roger Rodas came to the fundraiser in Valencia and the two drove away in a 2005 red Porsche Carrera GT according to Walker’s publicist Ame Van Iden.

Around 3 p.m. Saturday, the car crashed into a light pole and tree then burst into flames. Sheriff’s deputies found the car engulfed in flames when they arrived at the site. Both the driver and the passenger were pronounced dead at the scene.

Actor Paul Walker Converted from Mormonism to Christian Before DeathThe Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department said speed was a factor in the one-car crash, and estimate his speed at approximately 90 mph according to the Associated Press.

Walker’s death was later confirmed by both the publicist and his family. Their statements expressed their shock and their ‘beyond belief’ sadness after hearing the news. His daughter Meadown Rain Walker has posted comments on social media, asking for prayers and recalling fond memories of her father.

Walker was raised in a Mormon household in Glendale, Calif. He later went to Village Christian High School. According to Bill Townsend, a friend of Walker, Walker “dedicated so much of his life to helping disadvantaged kids and people who are in need, with his charity recently assisting tornado victims in the Midwest and in the Philippines.”

The actor, who also starred in “Pleasantville,” “Varsity Blues,” and “Into the Blues,” was working on the seventh film in the “Fast and Furious” franchise. His co-stars, including Vin Diesel and Ludacris, have all expressed their grief over the lost of their friend and fellow co-star.

Ludacris wrote on Twitter, “Your humble spirit was felt from the start, wherever you blessed your presence you always left a mark,…” “Brother I will miss you very much. I am absolutely speechless,” wrote “Furious” co-lead actor Diesel. “Heaven has gained a new Angel. Rest in Peace.”

The star is survived by his 15-year-old daughter, whom he had with his ex-girlfriend Rebecca McBrain.


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Of course Paul Walker left his childhood religion. As a heretical mainstream Christian all one has to do is say “I believe you Jesus” then that person can do anything illegal or immoral or unethical and one is still saved. Regular Christianity is easy because the Bible is no literal, you can chose or not chose to follow the commandments, it does not matter what one does or not do because one is saved regardless. Wow. That is unBiblical. And no I am not A Mormon. I study religion to see what makes people do what they do.
RIP Mr. Walker.

Kelly4nya

So not true… You can’t just say I believe you Jesus & do anything immoral & still be saved! LoL! Bad info! Those will be the people on the day of judgement that will say, “But Lord, didn’t I do this, & didn’t I do that, etc., etc, in your name?” And He will say to them, “Depart from Me, I never knew you.” The type of ppl you are referring to, are NOT SAVED! They WILL BE in Hell!

Xane Ze

Wow! You are something else. However, I do admire your conviction and how passionate you feel. Totally mind-warped, but obviously content:)

Pax Humana

No, nor does she have to retract what is not retracted in the Holy Scriptures as indeed the Truth, Xane Ze.

Lisa Cherrington

How long have any of you studied the Mormon religion? It doesn’t seem like any of you have studied it for any serious length of time. If you had you would know the truth about it. Therefore, all your comments against it are without true knowledge. Just a warning to all reading these ridiculous comments: Don’t believe anything anyone says about ANY religion if you have not verified that they are an expert on it! Most people who put it down don’t have a clue, they base their OPINION on what they have “heard” from other people they think they can trust without proving what is true or studying it for themselves.

Nothing But The Truth

I don’t have to have to study one lick of Mormonism to know it’s bull crap, the bible says “no one has seen God” and Joseph smith says he has, is the bible (Gods word) making a mistake. Also mormoms denie that Jesus is the God, they say he is a God, hence going agains the word of God and grounds of Christian belief, so either you don’t know what Christians truly believe or you are just arguing to protect your own malnourished claims.

Lisa Cherrington

When you can learn how to spell, I will debate the scriptures with you.

justsaying

LDS (mormons) is a Christian faith do I don’t understand the point of this article. it’s like going from being Catholic to a Baptist. Same difference. They all believe in God and Jesus Christ as the saviour.I

Timber72

Yes, and all of it is the Harlot, the Whore of Babylon, spoken of in Revelation. Catholic, Baptist, Mormon…all of it.

checkthefacts

People who think Mormons are not Christians are sadly misinformed or ignorant. Perhaps his charitible attributes came from his roots. Most Christian religions, including Mormons, believe in charity-the pure love of Christ.

Timber72

If I call myself a toaster, but am incapable of actually toasting bread, am I really a toaster? Likewise, if I call myself a Christian, but do not do what Christ says to do, am I really a Christian? Mormonism ignores what Jesus says. But that’s not saying much, because so does the vast majority, if not all, of nominal “Christendom.”

JT

How can you “convert” from “Mormon to Christian”??? Mormons certainly believe in Christ. It is The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints. it’s 2013 folks, get your heads out of the sand.

Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

There are many differences between Mormonism and Christianity!

Xane Ze

There are? Really? Without using the Google Machine, would you be able to list a few of the “many differences” to which you are referring? Oops… you can’t do it, huh? I’ll tell you why. Because you believe anything that you were told as a child and have never once thought that maybe what was hammered into your brain wasn’t exactly correct. As long as your happy, then keep it up.

Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

Actually I can!

1. They claim to be the one true Church

2. They claim that God is an exalted man

3. The plan of salvation differs greatly form that of the Holy Bible

4. They claim the Jesus is not God’s Son

5. They establish Temples

6. The claim the humans are Gods in embryo

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1. The Mormons have claimed to be the one and only true church of God. Biblically this is incorrect, Why? In Acts we see that the true Church of Jesus Christ was a continual one. When the Pentecost happened the church was made up of the body of ALL believers not just a select group. The true Church is not one select denomination, it is all true believers, those who have turned from their sins and are now regenerate.

2. Mormons claim that Elohim, the god of this universe, was previously a man in a prior existence. As a result of having kept the requirements of Mormonism, he was exalted to godhood and inherited his own universe. God is confined to a “body of flesh and bones” (Doctrine and Covenants 130:22). There is a huge problem with that though. God is not physical he is Spirit “24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.” – John 4:24. Then in John 1:1 it is stated that He was God from the beginning. ” In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

I’ve have covered two of the problems with Mormonism when compared to Biblical Christianity. If you want me to continue I can.

Xane Ze

Actually pretty good response. Nice work!

#4 is not correct at all. And that’s a pretty big one, so I know your source must be extremely confused.

They believe in the Trinity:

1. God The Father
2. His beloved son Jesus Christ our Redeemer
3. The Holy Ghost

Every prayer begins with “Father in heaven…” and ends with “In the name of Thy son Jesus Christ, amen. ”

Pretty straight forward stuff. I’m not a believer or even Christian. I just think it’s amazing how religious people pick each other apart and judge. Many times doing so based on untrue accusations. For you to say that Mormons don’t believe Jesus is God’s son, prove my point

Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

Sorry I meant there wasn’t supposed to be a not. They have a pretty whacky view on Jesus being God’s Son and all of that is tied into the fact that they do not believe in the Biblical trinity.

While it is true that they believe in Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. They do not take a biblical approach to it. They claim that the trinity is not the same being but rather individuals united in one purpose. That is false.

Isaiah 48:16 says “I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, there am I; and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.” If you look at this verse you will see that it is God speaking and yet he was sent by the “Lord God” (Father) and the Spirit.

The Trinity is a very complex topic. But Biblically the Bible talks about the Bible as three-in-one not three separate entities but three of the same

Xane Ze

Man, you’re too advanced to play with. I give already! What’s ur user name all about? Stormageddon and Dark Lord of All? I don’t understand the exact translation when I try to look it up in my language. It sounds ominous/ inauspicious. Like… not something good or positive.

Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

Nothing spectacular to the meaning. There is a TV show called Doctor Who and there was a joke on there about a baby calling himself Stormegeddon, Dark Lord of All. It’s just a joke really. Nothing to fancy about it. 🙂

Timber72

The trinity is an antiChrist doctrine, and never taught in scripture. It is Catholic mysticism that the Protestants embraced.
There is no “three-in-one” (a most confusing concept), but simply one. Jesus IS God, IS the Father IS the Holy Spirit IS YHWH.

Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

The trinity is mentioned in Scripture and is actually present at Jesus Baptism. Jesus was Baptized (the Son) then there was a voice from heaven saying “This is my Son in whom I am pleased” (the Father) and the the Spirit came and rested upon Him like a dove (the Holy Spirit).

And if the Trinity is not “three-in-one” how do you explain a verse like Matthew 28:19? “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,”

If you look at the verse it is in singular form. It doesn’t say names (plural) but name (singular)

Pax Humana

No, it is not Roman Catholic mysticism, Timber72. Were it so, then why would YAHASHUA YAMASHIYAH (Jesus Christ) have said that “I and the Father (YAHWEH EL ELOHIM) are one (in the same Being)?” Furthermore, why did it also say in the Holy Scriptures, “In the beginning, the Word was with YAHWEH EL ELOHIM, the word is YAHWEH EL ELOHIM, and the Word made YAHWEH EL ELOHIM into a fleshly being?” I believe that it is was the Book of John, Chapter 1, and possibly the other Books of the Gospels that said as much, too, sir. YAHWEH EL ELOHIM and the concept of His Divine Nature is like the concept of a Swiss Army knife. The knife may have other functions other than being a knife, but in the end, all of the tools that are on the knife are still a part of the same knife at their base. Likewise, YAHWEH EL ELOHIM serves as a base of the knife as well as its main blade, and YAHASHUA YAMASHIYAH (Jesus Christ) serves as another blade on the knife, the HOLY SPIRIT/GHOST serves as another blade on the knife, and the different Names of YAHWEH EL ELOHIM, including the Gifts of the HOLY SPIRIT/GHOST, are like the different blades of the knife. YAHWEH EL ELOHIM is most certainly one Being, but He also has many functions, much like the aforementioned Swiss Army knife.

ron hamblin

You uneducated retards are killing me, quit quoting what many church clergy have told people and form your own opinions, not relying on anything, other than the Bibles and the brain God has given you.

Pax Humana

Yes, you are an uneducated retard, thank you. By the way, that diploma from your little fly by night cereal box top college or university does not mean that you are smarter than me, you jackayuss.

James Zebedee

It’s ok that you don’t understand the bible.

ron hamblin

Xane Ze, obviously you have no clue what you are talking about. I’m not a Mormon or LDS but even I know that the church doesn’t believe in the (Trinity), they do believe the God Head consists of God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost, so next time leave out trinity and people may take you seriously,

Xane Ze

Btw, no need for you to prove that Mormonism is flawed. I agree with that statement. I’m just saying that they are / believe themselves to be Christians AND do believe that Jesus is the son of God. I never said that their beliefs are correct. I don’t believe what they claim at all. I’m just telling you after 35 years of trying to live as I Mormon, that I know certain facts about the religion, temples, origins, history, etc…. They are mostly great people who are happily brainwashed (as most Christians are) and don’t know or either choose to deny that what they believe in is a load of blank. Intellectuals have a tough time existing in the LDS religion, cuz once you begin to think & research on your own, you realize that Christianity like other organized religions, is just a made up story to prevent mayhem & anarchy, promote structure and most of all, make a lot of $$$$!!!!

Lisa Cherrington

Quick question: What callings did you hold during your 35 year membership in the Mormon Church?

Lisa Cherrington

Once again, not had any answers to my questions as of yet. Awaiting these answers so the subject can hopefully be discussed somewhat.

ron hamblin

Damn Stormageddon you hit the nail on the head with your six descriptions, the problem is, is that you think these are all bad things when in reality they are plain truth. But, I’ll take your troll bait and in the process tell you that all the verses you have written are printed that way, however, you have misunderstood them like most fools who are uneducated. You need to pull your head out of your ass and read the Bible like it was intended to be read and not rely on any clergy who wants you to think his/her way. By the way do you realize that Shakespeare was probably the person, King James had REWRITE the scriptures? If not you are as stupid as most people on this site. So get off your mommy’s couch, put the game controller down, get some sleep, lose weight and go do some good in the world like volunteering your fat lazy ass to help others!

Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

Have you even tracked down the history behind the King James version? Or do you, like most people, go off of what they have heard?

Now name calling is just childish

A) I play videos games once every 6 months if even that
B) I get on average 6 to 7 hours of sleep a night
C) I am in shape, not over weight
D) I serve others more than you know. Between church and my two jobs I work, I serve, and I make my own living. No one supports me. I don’t have my parents babying me. I pay my own way in college, I pay my own car insurance, I pay for gas, I pay for clothes. All of that I have done since I was 18 (the jobs since I was 15)
E) My opinions are formulated based off of what I have read NOT what others have told me. And also translation into another language is in no way the same as rewording what certain Scriptures say

James Zebedee

Nope you’re an idiot!! They are some of the few people that ARE Christians!!

Timber72

Lots of historians believe in Christ. Does that mean they are Christians? What if I told you that Mormon doctrine is utterly contrary to that which Jesus taught? Would that still make them “Christians”…?

Lisa Cherrington

Please enlighten us with your infinite knowledge of Mormon doctrine being utterly contrary to that which Jesus taught. Actual Proof please, not just empty words.

Lisa Cherrington

Still not had any valid notifications regarding this message yet. Awaiting Timber72’s infinite knowledge of Mormon Doctrine?

ron hamblin

If you told us that, then you would be a bigger fool than those who believe Catholic Priests’ are not pedophiles!

A B

What is the purpose of this story?

Why is this written twice? Was the grammar checked at all? This article could not have been proofread prior to submission!
Walker, 40, were attending a charity event for the Filippino victims of Typhoon Haiyan for his organization Reach Out Worldwide. His good friend Roger Rodas came to the fundraiser in Valencia and the two drove away in a 2005 red Porsche Carrera GT, according to Walker’s publicist, Ame Van Iden.
Walker, 40, were attending a charity event for the Filippino victims of Typhoon Haiyan for his organization Reach Out Worldwide. His good friend Roger Rodas came to the fundraiser in Valencia and the two drove away in a 2005 red Porsche Carrera GT, according to Walker’s publicist, Ame Van Iden.

Both the drive and the
This is disrespectful to the family and friends of Mr. Walker. Please let’s try to be a little more considerate, especially in situations such as this one.

Kelly4nya

Actually , YOU are pretty rude and disrespectful, not the author of this article. I’m extremely happy I found this article because I wanted to find out if Paul was saved at the time of his death. I was hoping he was saved, & grateful to find he was. I’m sure his family is happy to know that others can find that Paul knew Jesus & was saved when he died. Maybe other people may find Jesus & salvation & won’t burn in hell, because of through this tragedy, someone might follow him & get saved because they heard he was after his death. This article is clearly a good thing…

A B

You are entitled to your opinion just as I am. Thanks for your comments. Be Blessed!

Xane Ze

Born again Christian I presume. Your happy because now you know he was saved? Incredible how manipulated a mind can become! I’m speaking from experience and I empathized with the majority of you. It’s a big relief that you some how know that he’s not going to “burn in hell.” Do you even realize how unintelligent you come off? You’re probably a thoughtful and loving person to all, but… thinking for yourself or doing a little research hasn’t entered the equation much, right?!?

Kelly4nya

Actually, I DO think for MYSELF! In fact,there’s many Christians I totally disagree with. I don’t NEED to do any research. I’m not going to find what I need from researching what “man” has discovered, or “claims” to be the truth. The only truth is the Word of God written in the Holy Bible. That’s the ONLY researching that I need. God will give me the wisdom & knowledge when I need it for understanding His Word. No MAN has “brainwashed” me either. Yes, I am a born-again, saved Christian. Though my beliefs don’t come from what other people say & teach. All of my beliefs come from a relationship with Jesus. He has shown me in so many ways & many times that HE IS REAL, that there’s no way I could ever deny Him! I don’t even go to church,btw, so I’m not being ‘”brainwashed”! I probably should go, but I’ve yet to find a church near me that tries to please God rather than man; just to keep it’s members….

Xane Ze

Okie dokie

Timber72

“The only truth is the Word of God written in the Holy Bible”…? But…Jesus said HE was the way, the truth, and the life. How can HE be the truth, if you say the only truth is that which is written in the bible…? You mean, Jesus is confined to the Bible? Is there truth in the Bible? Of course. It is the only valid written testimony of God’s dealing with mankind. But is it the ONLY testimony? John said “there were many more things that Jesus said and did. I suppose if they were written down, it would fill the whole world.” So, clearly, there were things that are NOT recorded in the Bible, which are still Truth.
As for not going to an organized “church”…you do well. The Church is not a place. It is people. The organizations that call themselves “churches” are nothing more than the very Harlot described in Revelation, who love the praise of man more than God.
“First seek the Kingdom of God, and his righteousness.”

ron hamblin

Kelly stop while you still have dignity and walk away. If you read the Bible, any Bible, you would realize it was rewritten by King James or some other tard who wanted the world to think their way, it is even written inside the pages. Did you know that Shakespeare is most likely the person who rewrote the Bible and many others’ write after him? I wonder how much truth was left in when it was rewritten?

daledor

Christians are simply fallen humans like all mankind that are saved by the grace and mercy and sacrifice of God’s Son Who took on flesh to save ‘ALL’ mankind – but God gives us freedom of choice – accept or reject His Son. If you have any concept of the love and mercy of God and the fact that rebellious mankind and Satan is what causes the problems in the world – then you would run to Jesus and believe.

Mankind has two big problems, it wants to make itself good enough to go to Heaven or ignores all spiritual truths to avoid conviction and acknowledgement of wrong doing (ignores God). You see there are actually 2 issues here: rather than accept God and His Salvation in Jesus we substitute for God and reject salvation. The other issue is that because we are so proud that we can do no wrong, we blame others (even God) for why we are the way that we are and to be ‘comfortable’ so we deny and reject the possibility of being wrong and raise ourselves by our own bootstraps.

A paradox about good people is they use the percentage ratio as the guideline – sure I have some flaws and weaknesses but I do so much good, surely that will save me. This is like a one legged man claiming that he is good enough for a decathlon. God is perfect and uses law to show fault and flaws to us to show that we can’t save ourselves. He paid the price for us on the cross and resurrected to bring everyone into His family. Our own goodness can blind us and make us think that we can save ourselves. Mercy or law? I will take what God did rather than reject His Son Jesus and face the law, which will reveal our flaws – vs mercy and grace to cover sin so we can stand in Jesus righteousness (perfection).

A paradox about ‘comfort’ caused by rejecting truth and salvation and God. Why do so so many so called atheists have such a quest as to destroy Christianity and religions? If there is no God then they should be content and at ‘comfort’. If God is not reel then those who believe in Him are silly. No, the truth is that those who walk close to God show He is real by their love and joy – that love and joy challenges those driven by selfishness that create their own reality.

The truth is that our own responses and actions define us. Some call themselves Christian and live like the devil. Some call themselves unbelievers and live more honorable live. True committed and mature Christians shine with God’s love and glory and love everyone even if they hate evil in themselves and others they hold onto God and invite others despite their flaws because they learned that God is interested in and loves mankind and they can do no less. Salvation through Jesus is the rejoining of relationship with God – Adam fell but Jesus restored the relationship with God (as the second Adam, sent from God Who was the Creator Who spoke all into existence and Who created Adam and Eve ‘hands on’ when angels and all creation were spoken into existence.

Only perfection can restore what is flawed to perfection. A Christians perfection is not in themselves, their works (so they can’t boast), or ability but in what Jesus did for them. A Christian should seek to renew their minds to how Jesus made recreated their spirit and to do good, not to impress God or others, out of love for their Creator Who saved them – extending the fact to the world that God loves them as they are and wants to make them more like His Son Jesus.

Accept or reject – our choice and if we condemn ourselves by rejecting God and His Son then we simply condemn ourselves – it is not God’s will!

Timber72

“Accept or reject His Son”…? Is he a beggar, that he needs us to “accept” what he has to offer? “rebellious mankind and Satan is what causes the problems in this world”…the first is correct, the second is not.
I will tell you something that your nominal Christian church never will: you must die on the cross, too. You must, by the Spirit, put to death the misdeeds of the body, or you will not live. The “church” will not tell you this. The grace of God is the POWER to overcome sin. The grace of God doesn’t allow us to sin with no consequence. The grace of God ENABLES us to STOP sinning, and obey God.
See, Jesus’ death on the cross opened the door for us to do the very same…spiritually.
And understand Romans 9: no one…and I mean NO ONE…”accepts” OR “rejects” the Messiah. HE calls. HE chooses. Without HIS faith, scripture is meaningless, and no one can be saved. Without his GIFT of faith, no one believes. Without his grace, no one realizes they are powerless to sin. Without his grace, no one overcomes sin, dying to self, and living in Jesus. No one.
Not my will…but HIS be done.

daledor

God’s will is that no one perish but all be saved. His Salvation is the bridge and He is not playing roulette wheels to know who will be saved. Yes, He knows beginning from end and He does choose people – Jesus chose all yet He knew that all would not accept His way to God and many would make their own ways.
God loves everyone but He does not know everyone. He deals with those He knows. How does He know? He knows our ultimate decisions before we do because He sees all that is in our hearts – our intents and purposes. He will not strive with people who want to reject Jesus and God. HOWEVER, when He sees the slightest opportunity to ‘deal’ with people and help them find Him – He does not look for a list to see if He should or should not deal with that person. He deals with us all and desires that we not isolate OURSELVES from Him and His presence.
Lack of love in some who know Him and accept His salvation has discouraged many from Gods Voice that tries to draw them near so that He can know them and then save them from deception. I know of some people that went to church and, because of how they looked, smelled, or appeared were turned away. How many were not saved by selfish and self-righteous egocentric people?
You are right, He saves us not ourselves or others. Christians can only seek to live as reflectors of Christ (like moons that have no light of their own but reflect the sun) so that they can see God’s mercy, grace, and love. If the world can’t see Christ in us then we can do much more harm than good. They seek the missing love and approval that God offers – and do absurd things because sin has them captive. They don’t see God, even though God tries to deal with them until they die, but they can see us. If we live like Christ and encourage them to Him, they will be drawn to the Salvation that Jesus gives freely.
The reason you have a fixation on who will and won’t be saved, knowledge only God knows, is because you may approach Christianity as a social club of exclusives rather than recognize that the only thing we can do is pray, constructively (not gloom and doom), over others and help them see God’s LOVE then they may turn from the wrath poured out of the rebels against God – rejecting Him and His Son Jesus.
Religion won’t save you nor self-righteousness will – only Jesus. Knowing that, help others find Him – “for God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world but to save it.” (PS the ‘world’ is mankind, not terra firma.)

Timber72

How do you know Paul Walker was saved…? Just because someone else said so? And do you know what “burning in hell” really is?

Matthew Neuffer

Apparently, living with your girlfriend is fine as long as you “are saved”. But thank goodness he left mormonism. Mormons go to hell. /sarc

Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

He could have had it with her before she was saved! Don’t be so quick to judge!

Kelly4nya

Amen!

Xane Ze

Why go to hell? Is that what Jesus would tell the Mormons? Why so bitter mi amigo?

ron hamblin

Hum Matthew it sounds like your bitterness stems from being dumped by a hot Mormon guy or girl and because they dumped you all of them must be an asshole like you? Just sayin!

Xane Ze

Um… First of all, horrible editor! Second, I was raised Mormon just like this actor. Then, as I grew older, I began to use my own brain like Paul. He was first rate! FYI world, Mormons ARE already a Christian based faith. The title of this article is ridiculous. The editor should be fired on the spot! I personally don’t even believe in the Morman/ LDS religion, but know for a fact that they believe and named their church after Christ; “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter -Day Saints”. How can a religion/ church be named SPECIFICALLY after Christ and not be a Christian faith? What the hell? How brainwashed or ignorant can people be? It would be like saying that the “the church of satan & lucifer almighty” doesn’t believe in the devil! Ppl are so f-ing stupid.

Even though so many ppl of this world are so GD brainless, like the publisher, editor & most of you… I did really enjoy Paul on the big screen and as a kind hearted person. He was not a super actor, but was super cool and did try his best. It sucks this came to pass. I think about it often and I’m not sure why. I guess he was special to a lot of people. I’m not a professional editor. Therefore, if there are typos or errors, then it’s because this isn’t my profession. And… English is my third language (dumb-a$$ editor!)

dipshits are dipshits

Goodness, you are the most brainless piece of shit I’ve ever witnessed. Mormonism is NOT a “Christian-based faith” because there is literally no such thing as a Christian-based faith. Christ-based would be a bit more accurate way to say it, but still wrong. Lol just because an organization or religion wants to call themselves by a certain name doesn’t mean they are what they say they are. Look at Westboro Baptist “Church” and you can say the exact same thing, yet the majority of the world will never recognize them as a church, ever; they are a part of a sad and baseless cult. Get your head out of your ass.

Xane Ze

You don’t make any sense. I’m not saying what the rest of the world believes. I’m telling you what Mormons believe. Are you Christian? Would Christ be happy with you explicit post? I don’t believe in Christ, so that doesn’t apply to me. I personally don’t believe he ever existed. But the hypocrites that do believe, should practice what they preach. Why are you talking about Westboro? Who the hell cares about that topic? What cult? You’re so f-ing confused. I don’t think you know the difference between religion, cult, LDS, RLDS, etc… You sure are an angry little guy, huh?

Pax Humana

Xane Ze “My IQ is only high genius, which is greater than 165 (FYI, that’s higher than Einstein’s)…” Well, whoop-de-fucking do, who really fucking gives a flying fucking shit how high your IQ is, Xane Ze? Should we give you a fucking medal for that, let alone a cookie? No, fuck that bullshit because your commentary only proves that attention whores and dumbasses like you make commentary like you have in your own life and this is proof positive of your own commentary at work. You proclaim yourself to be a genius, but in the end, Beavis and Butt-Head are MENSA candidates in comparison to you. Finally, as the Holy Scriptures said, “They professed themselves to be wise, but in the end, they were really fools.”

In Jesus Name

I will pray Jesus will come to you in a vision or dream and show you he exists. He loves you so much and wants you to seek the kingdom, get into the word and get baptized in the name of Jesus and receive the gift of the Holy spirit (baptism of the holy spirit) Holy spirit will comfort, guide, teach you in your path. Thank God for Grace. Grace is Gods empowerment to give us the ability to go beyond our natural ability. Have a good life but Eternal life is better.

ron hamblin

Ahh, thank you, you have made my point by your name, which obviously is who you really are, I’m thinking that your sur-name is dumbass.

Timber72

If I call myself a toaster, but am incapable of turning a piece of bread into toast simply by holding my hands over it, am I really a toaster? In the same way, if a religion calls itself “Christian”, but does not follow what the Christ said, is it really “Christian”…? This goes for all of nominal orthodox “Christianity”, by the way, not just the obvious cults like Mormonism and Jehovah’s Witnesses.
Jesus said “why do you call me ‘Lord’, but do not do the things I tell you?” Since the vast majority, and all of organized, Christianity does NOT do what Jesus said…how can they really be called “Christian”…?

Lisa Cherrington

If you think the Mormon Church is a cult you have no clue as to what you are talking about.

Pax Humana

We do not THINK that it is a cult, the Holy Scriptures PROVE, not to mention that we also KNOW f EL ELOHIM that have been revealed to us, that Mormonism is indeed a cult. Sadly, Christianity and Judaism have been replaced by numerous other cults, too, and you are just another New World Order worshipping sheep, miss. Timber72 is indeed in the right, and the same message that was told here also applies to you, Xang Ze.

Lisa Cherrington

How long have any of you studied the Mormon religion? It doesn’t seem like any of you have studied it for any serious
length of time. If you had you would know the truth about it. Therefore, all
your comments against it are without true knowledge. Just a warning to all
reading these ridiculous comments: Don’t believe anything anyone says about ANY
religion if you have not verified that they are an expert on it! Most people
who put it down don’t have a clue, they base their OPINION on what they have
“heard” from other people they think they can trust without proving
what is true or studying it for themselves.

ron hamblin

Lisa just stop already, you are being reeled into the trolls net, do you really think God cares if Paul was Mormon or not and does it really matter what the idiots on this site think, whether he was Mormon or Christian or both, he is dead and with his God.

Pax Humana

How about BOTH of you shut the fuck up for once in your lives? You two think that I am a troll and yet here you two assholes are being the far bigger trolls. As for the proof of Mormonism being a cult, one simply needs to compare the Book of Mormon with the conventional Holy Scriptures to find the strange fire doctrines that are being promoted. I do believe that Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All covered quite a bit of the more obvious signs of Mormonism being a part of the Antichrist system. Finally, just because I do not respond to you does not mean that I do not have proof that it is a cult and a perversion of Christianity, it means that, unlike you two dim bulbs, I actually DO have a life that is outside of the internet, Disqus, and websites like this one, sir.

Lisa Cherrington

Please enlighten me on where in the Holy Scriptures it says that Mormonism is a cult.

Lisa Cherrington

Still have not had any response or answer to my question above. Therefore, it must be incorrect? What are we to assume?

ron hamblin

Pax, you are a stupid fool, instead of quoting books that you have no clue what means, look in a dictionary and see what the definition is for a cult, it states a few thousand followers, the LDS church has 14 million. Now I know you are a little slow and can’t understand so write out on paper 14, then write six zeros, they look like this (0). After you have done that, get off your fat ass and go do something productive like volunteer your time to help others!

Pax Humana

Yes, you are as you claim that I am, yet the irony is that you fail to see that in yourself, Ronnie boy. I do not support Moronism, excuse me, Mormonism, but I also do not approve of slow-witted idiots like yourself calling ME a slow-witted idiot in my life. Yes, I have a form of autism, and if you compare me to Rain Man, and if you try to hurt me over it, then you will indeed be turned into a bit of abstract art, period. Now do you want to have another go at me, you Lucifer worshipping troll?

ron hamblin

Good God people are you all stupid uneducated idiots? A cult has a few thousand followers, The LDS church has over 14 million that’s 14 with six zeros, a tad more than a few thousand! Does it really matter what the hell he was, he’s dead and not on this earth any longer and whatever he was or is he has to answer to the God he believed in! The trolls on this site are retarded and work their magic on unsuspecting fools, any religious scholar, not a member, but a scholar will tell you the Mormon religion is a Christian based church, Jesus, people read and get on with life and quit arguing there are truly more important things to do on this earth than try to convince someone else that so and so was Christian and not Mormon, God go do some volunteer or charity work for those who need it!

NickFortune

I grew up as a Catholic, only because my parents were Catholic (though they never went to church). I believe that it was more of a cultural thing than spiritual. I went to church every Sunday, went to religious instructions; thought of myself as being a good person. Growing up in the Catholic church the focus was on Mary and often Jesus was portrayed as a child. Besides Mary, there were numerous “saints” one could pray to. In retrospect Mary and the “saints” I feel, diminished the focus on Christ, the one and only savior.

I later had a spiritual awakening, a pattern of spiritual experiences that opened me up to a whole new realm. My concept of church changed in that church was not a building, but the gathering of Christians; “when two or more gather in my name, there I am amongst you.” After being “born again” I visited both the Mormon Church and the Jehovah Witness’s “Kingdom Hall”, having been invited to do so. Some gatherings are more conducive to maturity and spiritual growth than others. It’s strange, as Christians, we are all brothers and sisters yet we divide ourselves by denomination and the varying doctrines and dogmas of those denominations. As a father; I love my children, do not want them arguing amongst themselves as to who loves me most, and the ways that they show it. I believe that God is not pleased by how we divide ourselves; some even having contempt for others who differ in perspective or doctrine.

I believe that the Bible is God’s letter to all mankind and that His Holy Spirit personalizes it to each of us. You could read the same scripture on two different occasions and it could express two different meanings yet neither in contradiction, one of another. I don’t believe that being in a Bible oriented church, though important, as it is conducive to growth and maturity, necessarily guarantees that every single person in that body is “saved.” By the same token, I believe it’s possible that an immature “Christian” in a poorly oriented or misguided body, likely will be stunted in their growth, yet they will still receive God’s grace. I’ve concluded that “God’s grace is sufficient.” I believe we will be judged as individuals, by our individual walk, not by our denomination or its doctrine. God loves the immature or “baby” Christians as well as the mature and wise.

Xane Ze

“Walker, 40, were attending…?” Who wrote this article? This horse-crap is written like the spam replies from Craigslist! No minimal/ elementary grammar skills of which to speak whatsoever. Pathetic!

Lisa Cherrington

Mormon’s are Christians, therefore he was always a Christian. I am shocked that a religious magazine doesn’t even know that.

Eva

Mormons and Christians don’t have the same beliefs but when Mormons come to your house they say their Christian then they start bring up Joseph smith and his life Christian believe in Jesus and that he died for our sins so we could follow him while on the earth then when we die we get to join him in eternity don’t be shocked they are not the same. I’m a born again Christian and not a Mormon I read Gods word which is absolute truth not the Book of Mormon. Believe Paul was a born again Christian and happy to know he’s in heaven.

Lisa Cherrington

I totally disagree because I know The Bible very well and have studied it for several years. I am not saying that you have not done that, but the fact that you are trying to discredit the Mormon religion tells me that you don’t know anything about it. Especially enough to put it down in a public discussion, thus possibly discouraging people from potentially studying about the life of Jesus Christ. I suggest that you go to that friend or family member who is a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon) and ask them about the doubts that you have about the religion. Then study it intensely for at least 6 months at the minimum. Come back to this forum and I would like to read your comments then. Dare to ask a missionary in your area by contacting the local Mormon church exactly what Joseph Smith Jr. did. For one thing he restored the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the earth in the early 1800’s. If you study the Bible, you would agree that in the past, many times has the Gospel of Jesus Christ been taken from the earth and then restored once again by a faithful servant of Jesus Christ that Heavenly Father had chosen. Why is it so hard for people to believe that Joseph Smith Jr. could have been that person? Also, if you don’t believe it, prove it wrong. I ask people to do two things: 1. Study the Mormon Religion at least 6 months intensely, and then prove it wrong. 2. Never believe ANYTHING anyone says in these types of comments without verifying the extent of their knowledge on the particular subject. Thank you for taking the time to read my comment, and I hope you have a wonderful and prosperous new year! 🙂

Eva

you need to do more research,and talk to a pastor. In his bio he says he is a Christian and that he used to be Mormon. Glad he found Christ and his life manifests it as well.

Lisa Cherrington

Specifically which pastor should I talk to, if you don’t mind recommending one to me, that would be great. Please tell me exactly how I would go about doing more research? I need details. When the bio says that he is a Christian, that means he IS Mormon still AND that he is a Christian. You are interpreting in incorrectly.

BlackJack391

Lisa, please feel free to email me at avdbaseball@yahoo.com. I’d love to discuss this further and explain Chirsitanity vs. Mormonism and the main differences and how to study/research and find the truth for yourself like I did. I’ve studied both. I’m a Christian. It would be awesome if we could have a discussion. But up to you.

Lisa Cherrington

This conversation was taken to personal email discussion. FYI

Lisa Cherrington

This was your comment:

Mormons and Christians don’t have the same beliefs but when Mormons come to your house they say their Christian then they start bring up Joseph smith and his life Christian believe in Jesus and that he died for our sins so we could follow him while on the earth then when we die we get to join him in eternity don’t be shocked they are not the same. Wow, that is exactly what I believe and I am a Mormon. That is out of the New Testament, which I taught last year in my Seminary Class. We use the King James Version of the Bible. What Bible do you use? I’m a born again Christian and not a Mormon I read Gods word which is absolute truth not the Book of Mormon. Believe Paul was a born again Christian and happy to know he’s in heaven. I also believe he is in Heaven. Because he was Mormon, how did that mean that he wasn’t going to Heaven?

Obviously, you haven’t read the Book of Mormon, or you would know that it IS another Testament of Jesus Christ. If you actually had read it, you would understand that. Joseph Smith Jr. said that the Book of Mormon is the cornerstone of our religion. This means that we don’t rely solely on the Book of Mormon, but also the King James Version of the Old and New Testament. If you had read the Book of Mormon, you would know that it testifies of Jesus Christ, his life, his atonement, his teachings, his death, (being crucified), the resurrection, and the millennium as written in Revelation. The Book of Mormon is a book that had been transcribed by Joseph Smith Jr. and many others who helped him to do it and were witnesses to this. These ancient records were on plates that had been shown and entrusted to Joseph Smith Jr. to translate. There have been many, many other plates of the same type that have been found all over the same area where these plates were found. This is the way that people from that period of time kept their records. What would their purpose be but to spread the work and words of Jesus Christ upon this earth so that EVERYONE would have a chance to live in eternity with Jesus Christ? How is this bad? I don’t get it? Like I said, unless you have studied the Book of Mormon, or the Mormon Religion for at least 6 months, you have no right to make comments that are untrue, like above. We don’t worship Joseph Smith Jr. we worship Jesus Christ, live our lives as close as humanly possible to be like Him, and hope that we can always be a good example to all of those around us, this includes not criticizing anyone else’s religion or beliefs. What makes me so upset about this is something that I made a comment on which I will show here: I totally disagree because I know The Bible very well and have studied it for several years. I am not saying that you have not done that, but the fact that you are trying to discredit the Mormon religion tells me that you don’t know anything about it. Especially enough to put it down in a public discussion, thus possibly discouraging people from potentially studying about the life of Jesus Christ.

This is a possibility. I mean look at all the derogatory comments under this article. Some people really don’t get it. I think that we are way more alike than you realize and that is a good thing. My greatest hope is that someone who read any part of what I had to say, puts some real time and effort into studying about the life of Jesus Christ, no matter what religion they choose to learn from, and believe in Jesus Christ and study his life and teachings. That would be great.

Sincerely,

Lisa

Kori Davenport

Ecclesiastes 12:12 states that there shall be no other books to be written other then the Bible. Joseph Smith in my opinion seemed glory for himself. The Bible says this •Those who speak for themselves want glory only for themselves, but a person who seeks to honor the one who sent him speaks truth, not lies.
John 7:18 NLT (Jesus spoke the truth. Jesus knew what he was being called to do. Because Jesus is God!) I used to be a follower of the Mormon Church. And I was a very big follower of the church. But, the glory of heaven isn’t gained by only doing good works and being baptized. And “working” for the entrance into heaven. If you have Jesus Christ in your heart and except him as your Lord and Savior. That is the joy and way to be in heaven. I know that all of this is very confusing for anyone that is looking for God. We are are called to go out and share the gospel to the world. Anf the gospel is the life of Christ. And his sacrifice for us all!

Lisa Cherrington

I am unable to respond to the person listed in this email. Since they are incorrectly quoting the Bible, it is extremely necessary that I be able to respond to them.

Lisa Cherrington

Here is Ecclesiatstes 12:12 WORD FOR WORD, unlike what you listed above, which is your opinion.

12 And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.

How on earth can this be translated as there shall be no other books to be written other than the Bible? Secondly, if you read the entire chapter, you may be able to get the full understanding of what is being said/taking place. Third, go to your church and ask for help interpreting this scripture. If you get the same answer that you gave above, keep asking someone else because it is not true. Fourth, If Joseph Smith Jr. wanted glory to himself, then I guess he wanted to be murdered, which is what happened to him, for his beliefs.

I still have the same argument. No one can say they have earnestly studied the Mormon religion. I can tell by what you have written that you may have learned some things, but you did not continue your study because you are stating false facts which brings me back to my point. Please do not spread bad information, information that you do not have evidence for or lies that you may “feel” or have “heard” from someone else, that are not true. Last I checked, we all have freedom of religion in this country. I would NEVER criticize anyone’s religion because I might turn a soul away from studying the life of Jesus Christ, and that would be a sin.

I will not offer my view of the interpretation of the scripture listed above because you already do not like what I say or my religion, so it would be a waste of time.

Jesus_saves_sinners

Ecclesiastes 8:4 King James Version (KJV)

4 Where the word of a king is, there is power: and who may say unto him, What doest thou?

Jesus_saves_sinners

You quote the bible about no other books… But use nlt? The King James Bible.. Is the only word of God.
Ecclesiastes 8:4 King James Version (KJV)

4 Where the word of a king is, there is power: and who may say unto him, What doest thou?

Harrison Wyntergreen

Lisa, what is a Christian? Saying you are doesn’t make it so! Invoking Jesus name or using it in the name of your “church” doesn’t make it so. So, what does? Unfortunately the majority of people have a bad feeling or taste in their mouth because of people who claim to be Christians but then do things that a are not or do not match behavior or words with biblical Christian faith. The issue with the two “christian” cults that many ignorant people believe are Christian denominations are Mormonism and Jehovah Witnesses. If everyone was willing to study the history of both of these cults, see how the leadership of both have tried to rewrite the history of both, and understand what both believe the nature of God is and Christ and the Holy Spirit. Both cults say that we can only use the old King James Bible or their bible their churches have written to interpret the Bible. Of course this shows the ignorance and lake of biblical scholarship how modern versions are written. Also, it is one of Joseph Smiths big errors when he wrote the Book of Mormon claiming it was given to him by the Angel Moroni, later Jesus but, listen to this, He wrote it in old King James language! Now never, did any scripture that was written in a language different from the human writer. In other words, Moses wrote the Torah in Hebrew, the Apstles wrote in Aramaic and Greek, Paul spoke both, and the English wrote in the language they spoke when the translated the first written bible. Why would Joseph Smith write the Book of Mormon in Old King James, when he spoke American English? Because he learned what he knew about the Bible in Old King James, the Bible he grew up with, it was a rookie mistake. If he really was given the Book from an angel, then it was a fallen angel and not from God. Paul and Jesus warned us of false christs and in Galatians 1:8 and 2 Corinthians 2 11:4 exactly on point, if anyone comes, even an angel from heaven, preach a different gospel, let them be accursed. God made sure that everything that he wanted in the Bible was final and complete. All Protestant denominations and Catholicism believe that God is three persons all fully God but one God. Just because some people can’t understand this doesn’t mean it isn’t true or possible. We can’t see air and don’t necessarily understand it all but we know it is real. Both Mormons and JW believe Jesus isn’t God. But a created being. Yet the gospel of John, which is specifically about Jesus divinity, in the first chapter says Jesus is God. “In the beginning was the word the word, the word was God

Jesus_saves_sinners

You’re ignorant of Gods word…. Obviously

NickFortune

I grew up as a Catholic, only because my parents were Catholic (though they never went to church). I believe that it was more of a cultural thing than spiritual. I went to church every Sunday, went to religious instructions; thought of myself as being a good person. Growing up in the Catholic Church the focus was on Mary and often Jesus was portrayed as a child. Besides Mary, there were numerous “saints” one could pray to. In retrospect Mary and the “saints” I feel, diminished the focus on Christ, the one and only savior.

I later had a spiritual awakening, a pattern of spiritual experiences that opened me up to a whole new realm. My concept of church changed in that church was not a building, but the gathering of Christians; “when two or more gather in my name, there I am amongst you.” After being “born again” I visited both the Mormon Church and the Jehovah Witness’s “Kingdom Hall”, having been invited to do so. Some gatherings are more conducive to maturity and spiritual growth than others. It’s strange, as Christians, we are all brothers and sisters yet we divide ourselves by denomination and the varying doctrines and dogmas of those denominations. As a father; I love my children, do not want them arguing amongst themselves as to who loves me most, and the ways that they show it. I believe that God is not pleased by how we divide ourselves; some even having contempt for others who differ in perspective or doctrine.

I believe that the Bible is God’s letter to all mankind and that His Holy Spirit personalizes it to each of us. You could read the same scripture on two different occasions and it could express two different meanings yet neither in contradiction, one of another. I don’t believe that being in a Bible oriented church, though important, as it is conducive to growth and maturity, necessarily guarantees that every single person in that body is “saved.” By the same token, I believe it’s possible that an immature “Christian” in a poorly oriented or misguided body, likely will be stunted in their growth, yet they will still receive God’s grace. I’ve concluded that “God’s grace is sufficient.” I believe we will be judged as individuals, by our individual walk, not by our denomination or its doctrine. God loves the immature or “baby” Christians as well as the mature

Jesus_saves_sinners

*How Satan Deceives People*

Genesis 3:1-4 teaches us how Satan always works. The first thing the serpent (identified as Satan according to Revelation 20:2) was *to cause Eve to doubt*. *Then once the Devil gets you to doubt, he says that the Bible is not true*. *And then finally, he removes the Word of God completely (or corrupts it to render it useless) and abandons you*.

*Satan’s Three Step Plan*:

1.*You question God’s Word* and plant a seed of doubt in the victim’s mind.
2. *Once the seed of doubt is planted, then you tell them, “It’s a good book, but it’s not perfect*.”
3. *After you cause the doubt, then you remove the Bible. Now that God’s Word has been removed, man becomes deified and tell them that their feelings are the standard of truth. This is Satan’s method and it has worked for thousands of years*.

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